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Derek Wood's avatar

I disagree that his choice to put Texas and California on the same side belies a naïveté about American politics. The movie clearly takes place a few decades into the future (based on Jessie saying Lee took a famous image of “The Antifa Massacre” as a college student, and Lee certainly now appears to be in her forties). Garland has said in interviews, correctly IMO, that states’ placements in ideological blocs have always shifted around over time, and always will.

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I haven't watched the movie -- which does not seem like my personal cup of tea. But I think this is correct:

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I believe that’s what Garland is saying when he notes (okay, okay), “At a certain point, the specifics stop mattering. . . . [the war] stops being, in a way, issue-driven, and it just becomes anger.” I repeat my initial point, louder: He is not saying no issues matter and war is bad no matter what side you’re on or what you’re fighting for. He is saying that being on the side of good and right and true won’t keep you from becoming a war criminal.

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And it also reminds me of this good point about the relationship between ideas and actions: https://crookedtimber.org/2024/05/12/originalism-for-realists-two-obvious-thoughts/

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[O]ne of my cherished school memories is talking to my history teacher in 9th grade. He was teaching me US history but I was interested in European history. The wars of religion and the history of the Catholic Church and heresy and all that. My interest stemmed from reading Philip K. Dick novels and gleaning some bits, that I more or less failed to digest, about gnosticism, plus thinking The Life of Brian was very funny. I had a few nerd friends and we used to insult each other, Captain Haddock-style, by calling each other ‘Albigensians’ or ‘Sedevacantists’ (although that one is more modern and I can’t imagine where we picked it up.) I thought it was amazing that people would go to war over very abstruse points of metaphysics. In the Thirty Years War a large proportion of the population of Germany died. And for what? Kind of over a theory about how, properly, to read a text. In response to these vague wonderments of mine, my history teacher introduced me to some ideas about political realism that really set me straight. It’s not that they didn’t believe this stuff. But the wars were not over pure metaphysics. Ooooh. Yep. I see that now.

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